Comments on: Will this finally change the minds of the Global warming zealots? http://www.tradingindicators.org/will-this-finally-change-the-minds-of-the-global-warming-zealots Stock, Forex and Futures Trading Indicators for Technical Analysis Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:05:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Thomas http://www.tradingindicators.org/will-this-finally-change-the-minds-of-the-global-warming-zealots#comment-1569 Thomas Sat, 17 Jul 2010 07:56:26 +0000 http://www.tradingindicators.org/will-this-finally-change-the-minds-of-the-global-warming-zealots#comment-1569 I'm not one who believes that man has caused any global warming, but don't believe this "proves" it's all natural. I would point to another fact that indicates that man has not contributed to global warming. Over the past decade, global temperatures have not risen at all. Not even a little. This is in the face that greenhouse gas emissions worldwide have increased during this time. What gives? Stop preaching about global warming, and actually study the environment and see what's really going on. When science becomes dogma, it ceases to be science I’m not one who believes that man has caused any global warming, but don’t believe this "proves" it’s all natural.
I would point to another fact that indicates that man has not contributed to global warming.
Over the past decade, global temperatures have not risen at all. Not even a little.
This is in the face that greenhouse gas emissions worldwide have increased during this time.
What gives?

Stop preaching about global warming, and actually study the environment and see what’s really going on.

When science becomes dogma, it ceases to be science

]]> By: Didier Drogba http://www.tradingindicators.org/will-this-finally-change-the-minds-of-the-global-warming-zealots#comment-1568 Didier Drogba Sat, 17 Jul 2010 07:56:26 +0000 http://www.tradingindicators.org/will-this-finally-change-the-minds-of-the-global-warming-zealots#comment-1568 Nothing is going to change their minds. They're "Club of Rome" types. They will always have an agenda of taxing and limiting the activities that are the backbone of economic growth. Their justification will change, the way it always has - but justifications are disposable - when one fails, they just latch on to a new one. First they try to massage the existing justification to fit facts that it doesnt' explain - that is how "global warming" morphed into "climate change." 20 years from now they'll still want carbon taxes - or want to raise them if they manage to get them passed - - but since it won't be any warmer, the rationale will have changed. Nothing is going to change their minds.

They’re "Club of Rome" types.

They will always have an agenda of taxing and limiting the activities that are the backbone of economic growth.

Their justification will change, the way it always has – but justifications are disposable – when one fails, they just latch on to a new one.

First they try to massage the existing justification to fit facts that it doesnt’ explain – that is how "global warming" morphed into "climate change."

20 years from now they’ll still want carbon taxes – or want to raise them if they manage to get them passed – - but since it won’t be any warmer, the rationale will have changed.

]]> By: Peter J http://www.tradingindicators.org/will-this-finally-change-the-minds-of-the-global-warming-zealots#comment-1566 Peter J Sat, 17 Jul 2010 07:56:26 +0000 http://www.tradingindicators.org/will-this-finally-change-the-minds-of-the-global-warming-zealots#comment-1566 How dare you assult and insult their religion! How dare you assult and insult their religion!

]]> By: bucket22 http://www.tradingindicators.org/will-this-finally-change-the-minds-of-the-global-warming-zealots#comment-1567 bucket22 Sat, 17 Jul 2010 07:56:26 +0000 http://www.tradingindicators.org/will-this-finally-change-the-minds-of-the-global-warming-zealots#comment-1567 Dana's link covers it. I'd also add that the press release doesn't follow from the abstract. The authors are known contrarian political types. Note how carefully-worded the abstract is: "The results showed that SOI accounted for 81% of the variance in tropospheric temperature anomalies in the tropics. Overall the results suggest that the Southern Oscillation exercises a consistently dominant influence on mean global temperature, with a maximum effect in the tropics, except for periods when equatorial volcanism causes ad hoc cooling. That mean global tropospheric temperature has for the last 50 years fallen and risen in close accord with the SOI of 5–7 months earlier shows the potential of natural forcing mechanisms to account for most of the temperature variation. " It's well-known that there is a correlation between ENSO and annual temperatures, particularly in the tropics, which is what this link is describing. The annual variance is indeed strongly related to ENSO. Note, however, there is no mention of the word "trend", since the ENSO oscillation doesn't influence the longer term trend. http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.lrg.gif The description is sufficiently ambiguous to perhaps fool a reviewer and to provide talking points for denier zealots. Dana’s link covers it. I’d also add that the press release doesn’t follow from the abstract. The authors are known contrarian political types. Note how carefully-worded the abstract is:

"The results showed that SOI accounted for 81% of the variance in tropospheric temperature anomalies in the tropics. Overall the results suggest that the Southern Oscillation exercises a consistently dominant influence on mean global temperature, with a maximum effect in the tropics, except for periods when equatorial volcanism causes ad hoc cooling. That mean global tropospheric temperature has for the last 50 years fallen and risen in close accord with the SOI of 5–7 months earlier shows the potential of natural forcing mechanisms to account for most of the temperature variation. "

It’s well-known that there is a correlation between ENSO and annual temperatures, particularly in the tropics, which is what this link is describing. The annual variance is indeed strongly related to ENSO. Note, however, there is no mention of the word "trend", since the ENSO oscillation doesn’t influence the longer term trend.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.lrg.gif

The description is sufficiently ambiguous to perhaps fool a reviewer and to provide talking points for denier zealots.

]]> By: Arwen http://www.tradingindicators.org/will-this-finally-change-the-minds-of-the-global-warming-zealots#comment-1564 Arwen Sat, 17 Jul 2010 07:56:26 +0000 http://www.tradingindicators.org/will-this-finally-change-the-minds-of-the-global-warming-zealots#comment-1564 Thanks for posting that. The Kool-Aid drinkers will not believe ANYTHING contrary to what their little "gods" and "messiah" (little m) tell them to believe. Only the rational mind and researcher will see through the folly of Al Gore and his montage of "global warming" fear mongers. Thanks for posting that. The Kool-Aid drinkers will not believe ANYTHING contrary to what their little "gods" and "messiah" (little m) tell them to believe.
Only the rational mind and researcher will see through the folly of Al Gore and his montage of "global warming" fear mongers.

]]> By: jim z http://www.tradingindicators.org/will-this-finally-change-the-minds-of-the-global-warming-zealots#comment-1565 jim z Sat, 17 Jul 2010 07:56:26 +0000 http://www.tradingindicators.org/will-this-finally-change-the-minds-of-the-global-warming-zealots#comment-1565 They wouldn't let a few facts get in their way; they have a cause; they are on a mission. They wouldn’t let a few facts get in their way; they have a cause; they are on a mission.

]]> By: Dana1981, Master of Science http://www.tradingindicators.org/will-this-finally-change-the-minds-of-the-global-warming-zealots#comment-1563 Dana1981, Master of Science Sat, 17 Jul 2010 07:56:26 +0000 http://www.tradingindicators.org/will-this-finally-change-the-minds-of-the-global-warming-zealots#comment-1563 No because their methodology in the study automatically eliminates any impact of the trend rate in the data series on the resultant correlation. http://tamino.wordpress.com/2009/07/24/old-news/ In other words, contrary to their claims, it's impossible for them to have determined the impact from ENSO on the global temperature trend. Apparently Carter didn't understand the methodology employed in his own paper. More importantly, ENSO *can't* impact long-term temperature trends. It's not physically possible. The 'O' in ENSO is oscillation. It switches between positive and negative states, and the cool phases cancel out the warm ones. ENSO can't create or retain heat, it can only move it around between oceans and air. So not only do the methods of the paper make it impossible to attribute a warming trend to ENSO, but ENSO physically can't cause a warming trend. Their comments have no basis in reality. No because their methodology in the study automatically eliminates any impact of the trend rate in the data series on the resultant correlation.
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2009/07/24/old-news/

In other words, contrary to their claims, it’s impossible for them to have determined the impact from ENSO on the global temperature trend. Apparently Carter didn’t understand the methodology employed in his own paper.

More importantly, ENSO *can’t* impact long-term temperature trends. It’s not physically possible. The ‘O’ in ENSO is oscillation. It switches between positive and negative states, and the cool phases cancel out the warm ones. ENSO can’t create or retain heat, it can only move it around between oceans and air.

So not only do the methods of the paper make it impossible to attribute a warming trend to ENSO, but ENSO physically can’t cause a warming trend. Their comments have no basis in reality.

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